Scott:

Kerry says "you can't just walk away" about Dean's stance on opposing the way we were rammed into war on Iraq?

Boy is that a sorry attempt to assure voters he didn't get corralled like the rest of 'em by George Bush (a whompin' and a whoopin') and the NEO-CONS (sounds like a bad lounge band)into handing them the keys to our constitution while only frail, shaking, old Bob Byrd stood alone in the Senate chamber begging for some unity.

The people in New Hampshire are pretty seasoned in this stuff. It's tradition for them to think independently. Tears are thoughtful, John, but you should have bought the lady lunch instead.

Save the tears for the moment when Howard Dean wins and helps the millions of people who are hurting because you and your pals in the Senate have been waiting around for the right moment to say, "Oh what he (Dean) said."

Heath
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Heath Eiden | Email | Homepage | 09.04.03 - 1:52 pm | #

I saw pictures of Kerry crying. It looked as if he was actually trying lift his eyelid and reach in and pull the tears out. Oh well ........
Mal Hoenig | Email | Homepage | 09.04.03 - 2:37 pm | #

BTW, what kind of "gas" is Kerry talking about?
Mal Hoenig | Email | Homepage | 09.04.03 - 2:39 pm | #

Less of the mocking Kerry for being moved to tears by someone's struggle and determination, please. It's true it'll probably kill him politically, but you don't have to be a part of that mob. It made me sick when I they were mocking him on Scarborough Country and it makes me sick that you're mocking him here.
sidereal | Email | Homepage | 09.04.03 - 2:42 pm | #

i won't mock kerry for crying. i will mock him for jim jordan and chris lehane's sorry-ass campaign strategy, though. kerry is too "handled" so when he has a sincere moment like this, it's met with cynicism and disdain. i'm sorry if we offended ya, i hope you understand where we're coming from.
i've got nothing against kerry personally, but i don't believe he's shown the leadership skills required to hold the highest office.
anna | Email | Homepage | 09.04.03 - 3:14 pm | #

I agree with Siereal. A Kerry destroyed can't help us beat Bush. A Kerry destroyed by a lynch mob over an emotional moment with a supporter is a travesty.

We're for Dean. We're not against Kerry. Please understand that.
Dana Blankenhorn | Email | Homepage | 09.04.03 - 3:14 pm | #

This is what I told John Kerry at his Blog.

If a parent gives a gun to a child and the child kills someone the child is not at fault

Its the same, if you vote to give a Moron the right to go to war.

When the Moron goes to war its not the morons fault, its your fault.
Joe | Email | Homepage | 09.04.03 - 3:15 pm | #

Sidereal, does Kerry have tears for the other 9 million unemployed? Or only when cameras are looking to show how "concerned" he is?
What legislation has Kerry introduced into the Senate to correct our economic problems? He makes big talk on the campaign trail but his lips are sealed in the Senate. I wouldn't mock real tears, but I will always mock crocodile tears.
Anthony Segredo | Email | Homepage | 09.04.03 - 3:17 pm | #

Anna - this is OT, but what exactly is going on with the Texas Dems? Bravo on your above post, btw!
Mal Hoenig | Email | Homepage | 09.04.03 - 3:23 pm | #

for one thing, we don't need kerry to beat bush. he's not up to the job.

for another, kerry deserves everything he gets. go tell a bomb- ravaged iraqi kerry deserves to be treated with kid gloves.
niner | Email | Homepage | 09.04.03 - 3:24 pm | #

kerry's fake tears isn't even the most objectionable thing about him.

google sometime: kerry bechtel big dig

you know, boston's boondoggle "the big dig" that everybody else's taxpayer money has to pick up the tab for?

guess who made a statement recently that we should send even more money to iraq? guess which firm stands to benefit? wonder how many board members in bechtel were former bonesmen? don't know if all the dots are connected but they sure do line up funny.
niner | Email | Homepage | 09.04.03 - 3:54 pm | #

Listen: I don't have ANY issue with Kerry crying -- it's the fact that I don't and can't know if he's being sincere that bugs me.

If you'll note from my notes -- and the article -- it's this "I'm crying, I'm angry, I'm wistful" shit that's driving me nuts. I mean, come on, people gave Al Gore shit? One minutes he's crying, then he's bashing dean, then he is equivocating his OWN DAMN VOTE on Iraq!

Quite a busy day Kerry had, eh? Hey, over at Points West the headline I used was "Does Kerry Need Meds?" because he and his campaign are directionless and imploding. Pray he's not the nominee -- for then we are truly doomed.
Scott Moore | Email | Homepage | 09.04.03 - 4:17 pm | #

Preamble: I'm a 100% Dean supporter and have been on the blog since April -- not some griping Kerry backer -- so no need for 'your guy' vs 'my guy' tribalism.

I don't have any problem with taking another candidate to task when it's well earned (like voting for a war resolution), but gratuitous wisecracks are counterproductive, and reminiscent of Jordan tactics (And yes, I know the difference between offical and unoffical spokespeople, but HD2K4 is a very visible associate of the campaign).

There was nothing newsworthy for the Dean campaign in Kerry's announcement, except that it happened and his comment about Dean's position being wrong. The rest of it. . the crying (real or imagined), his current war stance, the blue sky stuff. . meaningless, and bringing it up is just mudslinging.

Scott -
"Pray he's not the nominee -- for then we are truly doomed"
Why is it that when other Democrats say the same thing about Dean it's 'a circular firing squad' and 'giving the RNC talking points', but you have no problem giving it back?

If Kerry gets the nomination, I'll vote for him. I might vote for him 10 times, thanks to Diebold.
sidereal | Email | Homepage | 09.04.03 - 5:06 pm | #

sidereal - thanks for the input. we may not agree but any comments are always welcome around here.
anna | Email | Homepage | 09.04.03 - 5:36 pm | #

mal, we had one defector come home two days ago after the 2nd special session ended.

just waiting to see if gov goodhair is going to call another one right now. thank the heathan pagan goddess for moveon.org - they will help us win this war against illegal redistricting.

more later, right now i'm going to run home and watch the debate....
anna | Email | Homepage | 09.04.03 - 5:37 pm | #

I don't doubt that Kerry's tears are real, for many reasons.

I think that he's very much at loose ends. Not only must it be galling to him that Dean is doing so well in NH but that this entire election season seems to be slipping away from him.

The next two weeks should reveal if he has a chance to make the race close.

His emotional state has to be in flux with all of Dean's national attention and poll leads.
Robert Deeble | Email | Homepage | 09.04.03 - 6:47 pm | #

Yeah, gas of the flatulent type!

I thought the tears story was much ado about nothing, on both sides. Second-guessing emotional reactions is meaningless and trivial.
Ben in Redmond | Email | Homepage | 09.04.03 - 7:32 pm | #

Sidereal: Thanks for the comments, but I stand by mine as well. Of course I will vote for Kerry, no doubt about it. The issue for me is the party-building, which I believe him to be incapable of doing on the scale neccesary to win. If I find myself, like so many others, questioning Kerry's sincerity, well, that's Kerry's fault. He's sure been passing out the reasons to be skeptical.

And as Anna put it: if I can post it, I can take the heat for it, and I really do appreciate the feedback.
Scott Moore | Email | Homepage | 09.04.03 - 9:48 pm | #

For anybody who thinks i was too mean to poor Kerry, here's what Kos thinks.
Scott Moore | Email | Homepage | 09.04.03 - 11:16 pm | #

Well not to bash Kerry too much but he does seem over-handled (much like Gore did in 2000) and the tears seemed forced.

What is getting my goat more these days is the anti-Dean sniping seems to be much louder and widespread from the Kerry supporters than those of any other canidate (although some of the draft-Clark people are almost as nasty). If you see a post on a mailing list or a blog from a supposed Democrat claiming that Dean will lead the party over a cliff and will lose 49 or 50 states odds are they are a Kerry supporter. I suppose Jim Jordan and Al Fromm are providing the example, but come on, even the Lieberman people can manage to keep their criticisms mostly civil.
Chris Stefan | Email | Homepage | 09.05.03 - 5:41 pm | #