There is also the remark about Latinos and racial profiling.

While we generally use Latino to mean hispanic Dean was probably using it as when it means people from Latin America. So he wouldn't have a problem profiling people from Saudi Arabia, but would have a problem with racial profiling.
Terra | Email | Homepage | 09.05.03 - 2:30 am | #

Hey, DeanDefense! Similar nonsense over at TNR primary from Spencer Ackerman regarding the "bring the troops home" comment. It's interesting how the commentators CHOOSE to construe Dean's words as a call for withdrawal. It's not that they're asking a question, "Has Dean changed his position?" they simply want to assume that Dean is suddenly cut and run. Ludicrous!
Mike Ray in S.F. | Email | Homepage | 09.05.03 - 2:33 am | #

I just watched the debate replay here, and he specifically mentioned that racial profiling didn't work with latinos, blacks, or arabs.
Mike Ray in S.F. | Email | Homepage | 09.05.03 - 2:34 am | #

Mike Ray is right. Dean wants to concentrate individual police work on individuals, not groups.

We're going to see many cheap shots now, but it's good that we got so few from the other candidates last night. Thus, the debate was an important victory.
Dana Blankenhorn | Email | Homepage | 09.05.03 - 11:29 am | #

(I posted this over at Dean defense forces as well...)

Actually, I think Dean is missing a wonderful opportunity for a counterthrust. (My pbs station didn't show the debate so he may have used it already but here goes...)

Dean should point out that the European Union also has trade agreements and they actually accomplish the effects of creating "stable sedate" democracies. The reason why Turkey has a serious democracy that can say no to the US is that the EU has demanded that they have a serious democracy in order to join the EU. I've always thought that was just common sense. By the way, if you want to annoy the american likudniks, point out that Israel wants to join the EU, this dying regime if the Instapundits are phrasing it right.

Whoever does white papers and research for the Dean team should look into EU labor and environmental standards right now. Or you could just hire me...I'd take the job.

Here's something I found on the net:

Here's a link and here's some evidence that the EU is doing a better job in terms of actually raising living standards, another reason that Glenn hates the EU probably. Anyway, here's something off the net:

http://www.defra.gov.uk/farm/int...nt/ benefits.htm

Enlargement will boost economic growth in the candidate countries and so reduce the pressures for economic migration. The prospect of enlargement has boosted stability in candidate countries. Purchasing power and demand for EU goods and services in the candidate countries are growing fast, will grow even faster after accession and enlargement has been a spur to economic reform. As well as increasing opportunities for UK firms, this growth will reduce incentives to emigrate. Research from Portugal, one of the EU's poorer countries, shows a decline in the number of people leaving Portugal to work since Portugal joined the EU.

Posted by: Philip Shropshire at August 27, 2003 07:19 AM


Philip Shropshire | email | url at September 5, 2003 12:59 PM
Philip Shropshire | Email | Homepage | 09.05.03 - 12:07 pm | #

Check out the Saletan piece in today's Slate. Much more reasonable, much less nasty.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2087966/
Mal Hoenig | Email | Homepage | 09.05.03 - 1:43 pm | #

Continuing to debate S-Trop's flawed logic, as Dean put it, paraphrasing filling in blanks:

*Profiling doesn't work, for any group

*(But even if it did) why is Bush targeting Latin America? Last time I checked, none of the hijackers were Latino....

What's inconsistent about that?
Scott Moore | Email | Homepage | 09.05.03 - 4:19 pm | #