08/29/2002 Archived Entry: "www.deanforamerica.com"
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Metafilter has a good discussion on the chances of Dean. CBS, in an abysmal August campaign wrap, says: This week, Dick Gephardt, Joe Lieberman and the peripatetic Howard Dean are still out on the hustings. Peripatetic? Dotty Lynch, Dubya's gonna have to look that one up, it's got something to do with Aristotle he thinks... The problem is, Dean is saying things Dotty doesn't get. You get the a similar shunning from the Scrum, that if Dean's candidacy actually took off, they'd be amazed beyond belief. After all, they've already annointed him the next Babbitt... The Scrum likes Edwards, which isn't too bad either.
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Foster and Cookesy, same bigotry (diaper heads) and same low levels of intelligence. White House is smarter than at least the state GOP in Louisiana which has supported all kinds of trash in the past...not that the state Dems in Louisiana are much different. Foster wants the Anglo-Saxon Cookesy over the Arabic woman Terrell.
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20020829-87919630.htm
Posted by G.C. Raj @ 08/29/2002 06:41 AM PST
I think Landrieu effectively won her second term when Foster said no. Even if she gets thrown into a runoff, Terrell's and His-Goose-Is-Cooked-sey's supporters are so mutually eclusive (anyone who supports someone as Middle Eastern-looking as Terrell isn't going to vote for someone who suggested anyone with a diaper on their head should be pulled over, and anyone who supports a bigot like His-Goose-Is-Cooked-sey sure as hell ain't gonna vote for Terrell) that there is no way either of them could win a runoff.
Posted by AVADem @ 08/29/2002 09:33 AM PST
Yawn at Dean and who cares about LA republicans GO LANDRIEU!
Posted by Gadem @ 08/29/2002 11:32 AM PST
I would start taking a close look at the GOP and even consider supporting them when they start appointing folks such as Brownback, Hagel, Tiahart, LaHood, Cannon and Mike DeWine for leadership positions instead of southern bafoons such as "Crooked" Cookesy, "Crooked" Cornyn, Don "the low IQ" Nickles and other southerners of equal intelligence such as Bob Barr, Trent Lott and perhaps Senile Mike Foster (a redneck who was a Buchanan backer)...folks who have not changed much in their thinking since Pickett's ill-fated charge at Gettysburg nearly 140 years ago!
Posted by G.C. Raj @ 08/29/2002 11:38 AM PST
In addition to my above response, the GOP has added a new category to the list...philanderers and womanizers such as ex-Rep. Livingstone and Senator Tim "the unrighteous" Hutchinson. Perhaps at Bob Jones they taught him that it is OK to have sex outside marriage as long as it is within your own race! Why else has there been no outrage from that cult called Bob Jones.
Posted by G. C. Raj @ 08/29/2002 11:41 AM PST
G.C. Raj-
Your last two messages are funny. If you put in "Dem" instead of "GOP" in your second one, you would sound exactly like the people you claim to hate.
You could pass for the Pat Robertson of the Dems . . .
Hysterical rantings don't help a team win.
Posted by JimGAGOP @ 08/29/2002 12:00 PM PST
That was hysterical GC Raj. Loved it.
Posted by Ced @ 08/29/2002 12:15 PM PST
I agree that Landrieu effectively has re-election in the bag, with one small caveat. If she ends up in a runoff with Terrell AND if the LA race will determine control of the Senate, then things might get really interesting. The race would effectively become a National one instead of a state one. It'd be the only race for the media to focus on, and lots of Big Money and Big Visits would be coming in from both parties. Considering Bush won the state by 8 points, I think the GOP could make things close in such a unique scenario. Close enough to win? Probably not, but I think things would get kind of crazy down there.
Posted by ROC-Indy @ 08/29/2002 01:26 PM PST
JimGAGOP:
Yes, I am very prejudiced...against bigots..people who would vote for David Duke and Pat Buchanan, and these are the kinds of people that the GOP has been courting of late. The Dems courted them until the 1960s. Let us not forget that Foster backers sent out flyers criticizing Phil Gramm for marrying an Asian woman. Let us also not forget that Tim Hutchinson was among the first to cast the stone on Bill Clinton while he was having an affair with a younger woman. I have not seen this nonsense out of the Kansas or Nebraska GOP, and for that matter most of Indiana GOP to my knowledge is not like Hutchinson...and then again may be this sickness is unique to Arkansas and Louisiana...
Posted by G.C. Raj @ 08/29/2002 01:54 PM PST
"Hysterical rantings don't help a team win."
True...Three things that would help an incumbent team win: (1) Stock Market; (2) unemployment rate; and (3) consumer confidence. All three have gone south..and hence it is beginning to show up in the polls. They have about a month to six weeks to recover. Otherwise the incumbent team would be in serious trouble, barring other unforseen circumstances or diversions.
Posted by Yankee @ 08/29/2002 02:05 PM PST
The Dems are keeping the Senate with or without Landrieu! Pryor is now TEN points ahead of Hutchinson in Arkansas and he even has Hutchinson claiming how many times he has voted with Kennedy in the Senate! Smith is gonna win the GOP primary in NH which will lead to a narrow Shaheen victory
Posted by GaDem @ 08/29/2002 04:12 PM PST
GaDem: I agree with you on both of those races. Hutchinson is done in AR, and Shaheen will likely win in NH. However, I see the GOP picking up NJ, and either SD or MO (not both). I think we'll be status quo after Nov. 5 in the Senate and a LA runoff election will in fact decide it all.
Posted by ROC-Indy @ 08/29/2002 04:32 PM PST
Actually this is turning out to be an anti-incumbent year. Lot more senate seats are in play than eight months ago:
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/aug2002/nf20020819_4206.htm
As for who is going to control anything depends on the economy...except perhaps in Texas where Cornyn could still win by the color of his opponent's skin.
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/aug2002/nf2002085_0167.htm
Posted by G.C. Raj @ 08/29/2002 04:53 PM PST
I've never heard of Dean till now. I'll have to read up about his record in Vermont before deciding in 2004. If he's anything like Clinton then he's got my support. Kerry seems like a good candidate also. I met him during Nelson's sucessful run for Senate in Florida in 2000. I'm surprised that Mydd has Hutchinson of Arkansas projected to beat Pyror by a slight 1-3% margin. I think Pyror has a good chance for a takeover just as Shaheen does. I heard Welstone is being endorsed by nader, this should help him out in his tough reelection bid.
Posted by RUDY @ 08/29/2002 05:43 PM PST
Pryor over Hutchinson will probably flip back over with the next revision, it's a pretty fluid race, but this last poll had a strong message.
Keep an eye on Dean, he's the sleeper for 2004. I have seen Gore do nothing but fade away, and it wouldn't surprise me to see him pull up short. Kerry and Edwards will be the early stars, but I don't think they shine brighter than Dean.
Posted by MyDD @ 08/29/2002 09:00 PM PST
I see Dean as a Babbit, Udall or Biden. Not even a Frank Church. Sorry to rain on your Dean parade Mydd, you obviously like him for some odd reason and after all, it is your website so you can promote whomever you want. I've backed a lot of losers in my years, Udall, Babbit, Brown, even worked on HHH's convention staff in Miami in 72. Just can't get excited about Dean and his NRA endorsements. Having said that, I'll vote for anybody but the dim bulb in the WH now and if in the remote possibility Dean was the nominee I'd vote for him.
Posted by NebraskaDem @ 08/30/2002 12:47 AM PST
NebraskaDem, the analogy you're making, of Dean to Udall and Babbitt etal., is one the press has already trotted out. There are a few reasons why I think the analogy doesn't hold.
First, the fact that the press is MAKING the analogy -- in those other cases, it was the press promoting the "brainy" candidate; now they're dismissing him. If Dean has suport, it's from quarters other than the press corps.
Second, those guy were attractive to the press because they were so obviously out of tune with mainstream Democrats -- I loved Udall, but right after McGovern, he was obviously too lefty for the country. Dean, on the other hand, fits the current Dem profile (esp. as recounted by Judis/Texeira) to a tee.
Third, those guys all had a "win and cheese" aura about them -- you knew they'd fit perfectly in a Georgetown salon, but you couldn't imagine them talking to a Jacksonian Democrat in West Virginia. Dean is different. Again, I'll say I was as dubious as you until I saw the guy talk. He's as close to Clinton as communicator as anyone in the Democratic field; I can see him having very broad appeal.
Lik you, I did find his gun stand disappointing, but hearing his explanations on Russert even moved me a bit on that score. Give him a try. He might win you over.
Posted by demtom @ 08/30/2002 10:19 AM PST
Of course, that should have been "wine and cheese", not "win and cheese"
Posted by demtom @ 08/30/2002 10:20 AM PST
I went to Dean's website. And, while I agree with him on the issues, his stances were very very poorly articulated. He needs to do some major editing.
So far, his campaign has done some very shoddy work. I don't expect him to catch fire at all.
Posted by Sean @ 08/30/2002 01:01 PM PST
Given the right sort of campaign that sets Dean forward, he can win. I look for his campaign to get footing once they get out of the Governors office, and on their own.
His moving it out of Montpelier and into Burlington is a great move. Just a shot down to Albany NY too, don't forget that Dean is a New Yorker, he's gonna get a lot of Yankee backing out of NY.
They are not using the internet like they can, but there's time for that next year. I don't buy into the write-off in comparing him to Babbitt etc... if anything, that serves to playout the CW as nothing more than a press phenomena, and when they get tired of it, they'll create a new one.
Posted by MyDD @ 08/30/2002 08:35 PM PST
I've got to agree with demtom. There is something likeable, persuasive, and winning about Dean. I couldn't take my eyes off him when he spoke. He could catch fire.
Posted by Oregonian @ 08/30/2002 10:56 PM PST
