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SC Senate choice
In South Carolina, Graham and Sanders debate Social Security, liberalism; The State carries that wrap-up, as well as Debate Buzz, and the Keys to the debate. Here's a few lines I noticed:
WIS has a good 4 minute mini-debate between Graham and Sanders. Here's the story about the GOP group formed to support Sanders, the Democratic Senate candidate in SC:
That's some serious Republican heft in the short-list that's backing Alex Sanders. It points toward a rift that's in the SC GOP: between what amounts to the establishment and the upstarts. The establishment headed up Bush's 2000 campaign, and control most of the state's tri-divided infrastructure. The upstarts, Graham and Sanford, were not asked by Bush to head-up his 2000 campaign, but McCain did ask them. The 2000 SC primary was a nasty intra-party affair, with character assassination,in the tradition of Atwater, nailing McCain to a tree. Post-Bush winning 2000, the battles were seemingly put behind, and Graham was given a pass from primary competition; in large part (alongside the buckets of cash he raised), because he didn't endorse any of the many Republican Governor candidates. Peeler was the frontrunner whom Sanford overtook in the run-off, in-part due to Graham's endorsement-- or so the Peeler campaign upholds. The wounds of 2000, which were on behalf of Bush and McCain, were re-opened-- this time with SC candidates. Blood has spilled, and the upstarts, whom emerged victorious, are in place to firmly take control of the GOP for decades -yes decades- to come. Graham will replace Thurmond, and after a couple of terms as Governor, Sanford will replace Senator Hollings. Peeler, and the GOP establishment behind/below him, know that if Sanford/Graham win, they are relegated to has-been status; conversely, if Sanford/Graham lose, they will remain the GOP Party's leadership. That's one angle, which is likely the impetus of the Republicans for Sanders movement. Another part is Sanders himself. As the article states, he's a fiscal conservative, and pretty socially conservative as well (except for the death penalty, which he's against). He's been showcased nationally, in the NYT's, New Yorker, and MetroBEAT. He's on schedule to be financially competitive, and is competitive in the polls-- remember, Thurmond only won his last election with 54 percent of the vote. Then there's the dynamics of the candidates and this election. As GA6thDem pointed out in earlier comments: Graham has only 1/3 of the state as his natural constituency. Sanders has 2/3 of the state. What gives Sanders the advantage right now is that the part of the state that decides the elections,(upstate always goes GOP, low country goes DEM), the midlands, is part of his constituency. 2002 is a crucial election year for Democrats in SC. With Hodges running as a more-or-less popular Governor, the GOTV efforts needed for a Sanders victory seem plausible. Especially alongside the statewide candidacy's of African-Americans Benjamin for AG, and Wade for SoS-- the SC Democrats have a Dream Team of their own. Sanders plays the patriarch Senator role well. Alongside his wife Zoe, the personality test between him and Graham is no contest, with Sanders winning hands-down. Still, at this point Sanders winning is still a longshot, as Sabato points out:
Graham and Sanders will knock heads on MTP with Russert.-- they will debate during part of the Sunday, Oct. 13 program. An Atwater-like whispering campaign has been underway for some time that concerns the single-status of Graham, and claims he is gay. I don't expect that to become an issue-- the Sanders campaign has reportedly rejected leaking out information on Graham. It's probably fair game, considering that when asked in the recent debate about supporting the same-sex benefits for surviving partners of 9/11, Graham cast it in terms of Sanders backing an initiative of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., as part of "an effort to force the homosexual agenda beyond what is appropriate." The race for Governor in SC has gotten downright silly in the attack and counter-attack games. I don't expect Sanders to exploit this issue, true or not, it's not his style to go for diversion over substance; besides, he doesn't need to, he's got Graham up a tree trying to explain why he want's to put the $2Trillion of Social Security into the sinking Dow. JB Armstrong on Oct 8 @ 9:04 PM
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When was this debate? I saw Lindsey Graham on C-SPAN talking Iraq on the House Floor between innings of the baseball game, so I doubt it could've been tonight. Posted by: AVADem on October 8, 2002 10:17 PMWhen was this debate? I saw Lindsey Graham on C-SPAN talking Iraq on the House Floor between innings of the baseball game, so I doubt it could've been tonight. Posted by: AVADem on October 8, 2002 10:17 PMHow much sympathy I do have for Sanders, I don't think this seat will/can slip out of GOP hands... Posted by: Frederik on October 9, 2002 01:30 AMYou don't think CSpan is live, do you? Posted by: precinct1233 on October 9, 2002 05:56 AMI know this is South Carolina, but to prove that the texas polls are all over the place. I'll try to get the internals. Maslin poll (D) Pollsters just can't predict the Gov and Senate races this year. Posted by: pc on October 9, 2002 06:07 AMI know this sounds crazy but Dick Morris (yuk) spoke of the inaccuracy of polling now that many voters have caller ID. Posted by: NoMoRepubs on October 9, 2002 06:28 AMI know what you mean. I poll out yesterday had Perry way ahead as well as Coryn being well ahead. Who is right? As usual, outside of the northeast and far west, authentic pollsters have abdicated their responsibility. Mason-Dixon has not polled in Texas and never bothered to poll in the AR Senate race. So, as I have always said the vacuum is filled by Survey USA, the Tarrance Group, the Lake, Snell and Perry Group and other frauds and imposters posing as pollsters. Posted by: G.C. Raj on October 9, 2002 07:20 AMThe last Sanders/Graham debate was on a Charleston coastal TV station last Sunday night. Graham has not run one positive ad or any statement, just negative at Sanders, he must really be scared. Posted by: Youth of Today on October 9, 2002 09:06 AMLindsay Graham proved what a smarmy hypoctite he was when asked about gay rights. Naturally Graham and Sanders both were opposed to gay marriage, but Graham went on to denounce the "homosexual agenda" several times in a very uncomfortable manner. Tom- Um, there is plenty of evidence. Hit the gay scene in DC. You'll find out. Posted by: D-Boy on October 9, 2002 11:48 AMI hear this about Graham all the time. I can not believe that no one would have exposed him for political reasons if this were true. I mean we are talking about SC here. Posted by: NoMoRepubs on October 9, 2002 12:30 PMWhile I hesitate to make any kind of pronouncement about someone else's sexual orientation, excessive and surprising gay-bashing is a tell-tale sign. That's all I'm saying. I don't know Graham, or much about him. Posted by: leftist on October 9, 2002 01:37 PMMaybe we should offer a bounty for Polaroids or negatives of Graham either cruising or "in the flesh" as it were. Posted by: precinct1233 on October 9, 2002 01:49 PMPrior to moving to the greener pastures of Colorado I lived in North Carolina for 22 years. Watching the Byzantine politics of neighboring South Carolina was a spectator sport for Tar Heel political junkies. Granted, North Carolina contributed to the national scene the bigot and racist Helms, but South Carolina politics makes the activities of its northern neighbor look like a League of Women Voters picnic. I doubt if Sanders can win but Graham can lose; many "favored" candidates across the country have successfully endeavored over the years to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. That being said, Sanders will pull out a victory only if African-American voters turn out in large numbers and if the more moderate (relatively speaking) coastal voters (Charleston, Hilton Head, etc.) come out in large enough numbers to defeat the upstate Graham. So far, though, the mushy middle of the road South Carolina Democratic Party has done little to motivate its base, attempting instead to play to the right. If, on election night, the networks show early reporting South Carolina electing Sanders you can expect a Democratic sweep across the country. It would be nice but I'm not holding my breath. Posted by: Colorado Pundit on October 9, 2002 03:02 PMI've got a friend in SC, a gooper, and he says it's pretty much an open secret about LG. Posted by: jdw on October 9, 2002 07:23 PMIt is a well known fact that Sen Thurmond father a black child, but it never hurt his re-election in SC, and his daugter is 75 years old. He helped raise her and paid for her education and never has denied her as his daughter, but Graham he is well lacking Thurmonds qualities in more thaa one way. Posted by: the moderate on October 9, 2002 08:34 PMI happen to be gay myself and Lindsey Graham is definately gay. I know these things. Posted by: Dan on November 10, 2002 07:07 PMPost a comment
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